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NORTH KOREAN MINI SUB torpedoing the HORIZON DEEPWATER RIG?

Post  Shelby on Sun May 02, 2010 10:54 pm

> Check out this article about NORTH KOREAN MINI SUB torpedoing the HORIZON
> DEEPWATER RIG.
>
> http://investmentwatchblog.com/may-1-2010-us-orders-blackout-over-north-korean-torpedoing-of-gulf-of-mexico-oil-rig/

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Martin Armstrong bombshell!

Post  Shelby on Thu May 13, 2010 1:26 am

After you read the revelation below, please also go re-read also the following post (you will be glad you did):

http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/economics-f4/inflation-or-deflation-t9-360.htm#2965

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http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/schoon051110.html

GATA, MARTIN ARMSTRONG AND FREE MARKETS

GATA was incorporated by Bill Murphy in January 1999 to advocate and undertake litigation against illegal collusion to control the price and supply of gold and related financial securities. Exactly one year later in January 2000, Bill Murphy was to become personally acquainted with Martin Armstrong of Princeton Economics.

At the time gold was $280/oz , silver was $5.18 and GATA's Bill Murphy was hearing rumors that Martin Armstrong was heavily involved in shorting gold. Then, on January 5, 2000 the following article, a revelatory bombshell, was posted on Kitco.

Date: Wed Jan 05 2000 04:24
GoldBird1 ( Armstrong-Republic-manipulations ) ID#396247:
Copyright © 1999 GoldBird1/Kitco Inc. All rights reserved

Whilst I have read a lot on this site about Armstrong and his supposed short gold position, etc., etc., etc., I just thought everyone should know that it is all BS. I have worked inside Republic Bank and quite frankly the whole thing stinks of a major set up intended to frame Armstrong big time. Armstrong was right about the manipulation of silver and a whole lot more.

Not only was silver manipulated, they do it all the time. If you want to know the truth, it was Republic who has been behind almost every manipulation I know of for at least the last 10 years, I've seen it first hand. Buffet is not lily white and this silver purchase of his was not the first. The manipulation by Phibro in 1995 when they exercised the call options way out of the money was executed by Andy Heck who now works for Republic. The CFTC went to Phibro demanding to know who the client was behind the trade and they refused to give up the name. The CFTC did not do their job, as usual, and just walked away demanding that they exit the trade. Phibro was owned by Salomon Bros and the authorization to squeeze silver was given personally by Buffet.

Does anyone really think that a small sub like Phibro could do a $1 billion trade without board approval from above? It doesn't end there. Bribes were paid to Russian officials to "recall" platinum so it could be inventoried. Republic helped Tiger corner the market in palladium and stored it for them just like they moved the silver from NY to London for Buffet. This thing even goes back to the manipulation of the US Treasury Auctions. The govt boys are so stupid, when they threatened to take the license away from Salomon Bros, Buffet came to the rescue. Ha! He was behind that trade as well and his name was concealed then, as always. Then that trader left and started LTCM and had a real merry old time. Look at who his investors were! Just before it blew up, Buffet agreed to bailout that operation and wrote a letter stating that if his offer were ever revealed, it would be void. That letter was published in the WSJ because it blew up before Buffet could put the deal to bed.

The point is, Armstrong was trying to fight the crowd. He knew what was going on and the word inside the bank was that he might even have tapes of conversations between a lot of the players. Everyone is really worried about that for sure. These guys take the market up get all you suckers believing the rally is real and then slam it again. How do you think they make their billions? They don't care about bull markets. They shag the markets to make their billions off of the people who don't have a clue. They rotate between the markets. All the same names were on the short-side in copper. Sumitomo tried to fight these guys. They baited the Japanese into the trades offering them untold credit. They then would short copper against them. Sumitomo tried to defend their position and ended up buying the entire inventory. When they had Sumitomo loaded, they ran to the authorities and did them in calling it a manipulation. They made a fortune on that short trade. To add insult to injury, Sumitomo ran to Goldman Sachs for help, Goldman started selling thousands of contracts in copper that day and then accepted the work out the following day after front-running their own client. Jimmy Goldsmith was involved in this one as well as Safra, Tiger and a host of others. They amazingly are all on the right side of every one of these trades.

Hell - bribes were even paid to bank officials at the Central Bank of Thailand to start the Asian Crisis! That was the evidence the Japanese took to the G7 meeting and demanded controls against the organized hedge funds.

The US govt refused to do anything against the group of players because this thing is so dirty nobody wants the truth out there. They told the Japs they would agree to sanctions only. That's why Armstrong is being served up as the Xmas turkey. Quite frankly, he knows too much.

Safra was paying bribes to people inside the IMF as well. They all thought they had the IMF in their pocket. That's why they all invested so much into Russia. They even set up Bank of New York on behalf of a rival group of thugs in Russia and because Republic hates Bank of New York because they are not part of the club.

These markets are never going to breakout until someone breaks up this organized mob of billionaires. The govt is either too stupid or they are involved with them ==== a high probability! After all, Armstrong had a $1 billion credit line in the bank and everyone knew it. Suddenly, his credit line was pulled and Republic took $500 million of his clients money pretending it was never there. That order came from good old Mr. Safra himself and was carried out by George Wendler personally. And if anyone believes that story about Safra's death, I guess they believe in Santa Claus and a few other sudden deaths when the heat got turned up. If Armstrong or his clients got Safra on the stand, the whole thing could have unraveled. His bodyguard was changed just after this affair started. You fill in the blanks.

Armstrong was never short 700 tons of gold. In fact, to get the silver manipulation going, Armstrong was out of the country and they ran their orders through Republic to make everyone think it was Armstrong covering short positions he never had. The records are all there!

All this stuff is on tapes, docs and emails. The question is, will the govt go along with the big boys and cover everything up again? [They did] If so, they say already Armstrong won't make it to trial. They cannot afford a open trial with everything Armstrong knows. He probably knows far more than what has been written here. They just can't afford for the world to know how rigged this game truly is and how these billionaires really make their money at the expense of everyone else.

That's the real story. Take it for what it's worth.

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Amerika the beautiful, home of the free, land of the brave (NONSENSE!)

Post  Shelby on Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:21 pm

America has never been about freedom. Right now we are dropping uranium
bombs on Iraq killing millions of women and children.

Read what America did 100 years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine-American_War#American_War_Strategy

And don't forget America capturing the Nigerians and making them slaves in
America in the 1800s.

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Woodstock was diversionary tactic to dilute the mass freedom movement in USA in 1960s

Post  Shelby on Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:50 pm

http://www.voiceamerica.com/voiceamerica/vepisode.aspx?aid=46267 (listen at 53:30 to 54 mins)

The Bilderbergs gave the boomers music, free love, and drugs to distract them from stopping the war.

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debate with a relative in email

Post  Shelby on Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:08 am

Do any of you try to explain why politics was given to us by the bankers so that we will avoid doing what we need to do?

Shelby wrote:http://www.voiceamerica.com/voiceamerica/vepisode.aspx?aid=46267 (listen at 53:30 to 54 mins)

The Bilderbergs gave the boomers music, free love, and drugs to distract them from stopping the war.

>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Shelby
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:13:55 -0400
> To: relative
> Subject: MORE: RE: Woodstock was diversionary tactic to dilute the mass
> freedom movement in USA in 1960s
>
>> Whatever. Hard to know if you weren't there. Or alive.
>
>
> The person who provided that information is older than me. And he is the
> foremost expert on the Bilderbergs, who run the world.
>
> I had in past seen credible and extensive evidence (a whole book if I
> remember correctly) that they had infiltrated the Black Panthers, and I do
> know it is one of their methods, to turn mass movements away from the
> cause that threatens the Bilderberg power.
>
> Indeed the concept of free love, drugs, and music were planted at places
> like Woodstock to turn your generation away from achieving success in
> stopping the war. Drugs are very effective.
>
> I know for a fact that the Bilderbergs (the large banks) are managing the
> drug trade. They've been doing since England addicted the entire southern
> half of China to Opium (via Hong Kong) as a way to get their silver back
> (they had lost it all in trade for spices and such).
>
> You have no idea what they are planning to do to USA over the next
> year or two.
>
> We gave them all the power. Why? Can't you understand that taking a loan
> is stealing? Don't you understand that the bank creates the money for the
> loan from nothing (it is just a ledger entry), and thus everytime someone
> takes out a loan, it increase the amount of money in circulation, which
> dilutes the value of the person who is saving money.
>
> By all of us taking loans, we are stealing from those of us who want to
> save. And we transfer the wealth to the bankers.
>
> Do you know where decades of stealing from each other is going to lead
> now?
>
> You won't have to wait long to find out. 2 years max, probably less.
>
> I told that another incident was coming in Gulf area. I told you that
> Katrina was just a dry run, for what they are planning to do.
>
> It is really messing up my life. It has been messing up my life since I
> was 5 years old.
>
> So I don't want to hear that woodstock was good, drugs were good, debt and
> mortgages were good.
>
> Certainly I haven't been a saint either. But I want to fight for the
> little bit of youth left. But your generation wants to go into the abyss.
> Your generation won't stop!! They just won't stop!! They are determined
> to take everything to the grave with them.
>
> And I don't mean that you haven't been very helpful to me. Because you
> have and I love you.
>
> But you just don't get it, when it comes to understanding how we got where
> we are now. It crystal and mathematically clear to me.


>
> Don't you know it is extremely painful for me to write that below, because
> I don't want to hurt you. I love you so much.
>
> The hardest thing for the boomers is going to be admitting that their
> lives were complete failures, because they absolutely destroyed the world.
> They can't see it yet, because they are still in denial as to what their
> extreme use of debt did to the world, because it had been hidden from them
> (you don't want to go to 3rd world and see what your generation stole from
> 6 billion people via the debt machine and strong dollar that the debt
> consumer enabled).
>
> But your generation will be shown very soon what they had done, and it is
> going to really break the hearts and minds of your generation. They won't
> be able to deal with the reality that their lives were so destructive to
> mankind. The youth will suffer tremendously. I think perhaps many
> boomers will commit suicide or otherwise be broken people in their latter
> years.
>
> It is very sad. I want to do something positive, but the only thing
> boomers think is positive is "more of the same, for as long as I can,
> because I am almost dead any way".
>
> So what is the point of writing this email? It makes you think about
> something in way you don't want to. It won't cause you to realize what
> needs to be done. It is too late.
>
> Just shut up Shelby. it is too late to stop what is coming next.
>
>
>
>
>
>

>> Every generation does good and does bad. When you children grow up they
>> can
>> pick your generation apart. I know what things were like when I was born.
>> You do not. We're not lynching "niggers" these days. That was my
>> generation. Shit still happens. It has been happening since Adam. Has your
>> generation solved that?


I agree with that in principle.

And in every generation, there is still the same proportion of "stupid" (lazy, obstinate) people, who just can't understand certain concepts, no matter how many times it is explained to them.

I am not sure whether to put you that category, because there is so little feedback from you about absolutely critical concepts that I have learned in past 3 - 4 years.

I still wonder if you understand that borrowing money is a theft from each other? I wonder if you understand how it mathematically guarantees that we destroy each other? I wonder if my father understands this too. I wonder, because I have tried to explain as follows, and I never get any feedback as to whether people understand:

http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/economics-f4/is-capitalism-or-is-socialism-increasing-t18-45.htm#3292

I urge you to please take the time right now, to click the link above, and read that entire post, and click the links within that post above, and read them also. Did you learn what "opportunity cost" is in your economics course? It is real cost. It is actually a theft, aka mis-allocation of capital.

I know you are a person with a fairly high IQ, even took math courses in college I remember (at about same time I was getting into the same math courses, remember I was taking Calculus at a college while I was a senior in high school). Remember also that I placed like #3 in Chemistry out of 3 sections of hundreds of students in my freshman year at LSU. I got 96 - 99% scores at my Probability and Statistics (theory) course at college. Ditto Linear Algebra, Digital Logic, Physics 1 and 2, etc.. My sister will tell you that while she was living in 1000 Oaks that she was struggling with a Geometry problem, and I was able to explain to her a general way of thinking about geometry problems, and she said "a ha!" and she immediately understood geometry at a much higher level and I think from there on she understood that I was smarter than a lot of other people in terms of certain aspects of visualing concepts.

Your reply shows that you still don't understand the way the world works. Slavery and the "nigger" culture was created by the bankers. The problem is ignorance, and has always been. So it is frustrating when I can't even discuss the problems with the boomers, they just want to put their heads in the sand.

I know very few people from my generation any more, but afaik most of them followed the culture of your generation. I know I have made some really horrible mistakes. So I am not going to brag about myself. But I will say that I am learning a lot about what we've been doing wrong for centuries. And I can say with mathematical proof, that we are getting worse. We are much worse than we were in 1800s for example, exactly 33,900% worse.

You will see within about 2 years, what 33,900% worse looks like. As I said, this has been hidden from your generation, as the bankster put this theft on to the 3rd world (by various mechanisms), but now they will let the theft manifest in abject poverty and chaos within the western countries.

This is the final stage before the enslavement called "world government", which is detailed in Revelation, written 2000 years ago. And you think the Bible isn't true?

You will get to watch it proved in your lifetime.

I predict the boomers will choose to go to war to continue their theft (lifestyle). I predict the boomers will not choose to be humble and accept the changes needed to reduce their theft and let the 3rd world produce and be prosperous.

Regarding possibility of boomers choosing war because they won't change their theft lifestyle, the following is an interesting read, but not sure if it is factual as there are no references provided (so far):

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article10553.html

As long as the boomers don't move from paper money and debt, to gold and silver, they will continue to give the bankers the power to take us into these wars. Politics is the pacifier that the bankers give us, so we can justify our theft lifestyle, "we tried but the system is broken". However the fact is that with debt and paper money, we are stealing from each other every day. We are driving the wars with our personal actions every day! Personal responsibility was traded for political pacifier. Very clever the way the bankers gave us what we wanted and tricked us into being daily thieves!



> I agree that it is frustrating trying to communicate with those who have
> different world views, personalities, agendas, perspectives, beliefs,
> goals, background, styles, experience, lifestyles, traumas, successes,
> failures, fears, passions, demographics and peer groups than our own. It
> cuts both ways and impacts all levels and all people. We don't have a
> patent on the frustration.
>

I am talking about a fact.

DEBT = THEFT.

Everyone of us is stealing.

Would you say that if everyone is stealing, that is not a serious problem?

Yes it is hard to tell a boomer to STOP STEALING from me! It is going to take war, and the boomers will have to be killed. There is no other choice apparently.

> There's a lot you don't "get" too, Shelby. You may have a working mind,
> but
> it doesn't make you Solomon or one of the prophets. I'm happy for you that
> you find meaning in the path you are on and I hope it leads you to greater
> compassion and less judgment and criticism of everyone who does not
> cobform
> to your view.


It is a mathematical fact that using debt is theft.

Do you like thieves? Would you be happy if you and your neighbors were
stealing from each ever day? But we are. The bankers gave us a way to
steal from each other, without having to do it physically. This allows
you to sit there and type the denial above.

=====tangentially=====
Here is a photo of the fire volcano erupting at the surface of the water
in the gulf, and the documentary reporter hears that there will be a mass
evacuation within a week (don't know if this is factual):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ijAWJ0bhOI

There is pretty good proof that BP and the govt did this on purpose. When
I say proof, I mean the word in the literal sense.


> Truth is, I'm busy! No time for theory about the past and future and very
> little interest. The past is gone and my future is limited, so it's NOW
> where I need to live. -- If sticking my head into living is sticking my
> head into sand, then oh well ... Sorry if I fail to measure up on your
> yardstick, but it's myself I live with.

I have had this pyschology lately too, it is analogous to a crab with a meat tied on a stick in front of its face.

You will very likely live another 10 years at least, probably closer to 20 more.

However, the payback hell (from decades of generational debt) is about to be unleashed and it is going to turn the western world into some kind of indescribeable socialist+fascist chaos. The big changes should kick in within weeks or months, definitely not later than 18 months from now (I think much sooner).

If your generation had moved to gold & silver in 1992 (when I volunteered for Ross Perot and walked house-to-house to talk to people), or even had they done it in 2006/7, we had a fighting chance to stop the bankers from doing this plan. Even now, there could be a fight against the banker's poison, if your generation acted TODAY swiftly and resolutely, each taking the personal responsibility to reduce their life to subsistence level (temporarily) and a pile of savings in gold and silver to implode the debt economy and start a new on sound footing.

But it isn't going to happen, and there will be decades of fighting, chaos, and war instead.

That is sad. 10 to 20 years of hell, instead of reverting to a simple life of honesty and rebuilding.


> One man's fact is not necessarily another's. God knows the facts. We have
> theories.

Are you saying that debt is not theft?

That is like saying 2+2 does not equal 4.

I mean it makes me realize you haven't even bothered to understand. If a child said 2+2 = 5, you would realize the child was ignorant and wrong.

Sorry it is a very simple fact.

Very simply, when we borrow fiat money (all our money is fiat since 1934), the bank creates the money from nothing.

This is a fact, because we have fractional reserve banking system, which means the banks only keep deposits worth about 1% of the loans they make (actually less than 0% recently in USA).

Thus since the bank has created new money by loaning money that it did not have on deposit, this is thus a theft from every one who was holding some money any where in world. This is because the quantity of money has increased by the amount of the loans made. If I am holding 0.01% of the world's money, and the amount of the world's money increases, then my holding is worth less, because there is more money for the same amount of goods and services. More money chasing the same quantity of things to buy, means more expensive.

And this is a historically proven fact and phenomenon, as it is proven by the statistics that the government collects, as I calculated in this published article of mine:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article16212.html
(see the 33,900% calculation)

Don't you know the FACT that prices declined in the 1800s, but prices have increased almost 100 fold since 1934? Do you know why? Because in 1800s we used gold and silver money, and since 1934, we have used fiat, fractional reserve banking money system.

In the 1800s, the depositors and the borrowers would lose when the bank was caught doing fractional reserve banking, by a bank run where the bank would be proven insolvent. The damage was inflicted and limited to those who were doing the theft. But now, we have fiat money system where the damage is shared by everyone by the force of legal tender laws and the government being complicit.

You have no idea what you are saying. You are ignorant as a 5 year old on this matter.

I wish Terry was here. He and I could argue until he realized that I was &%^R&$&% correct, so he could scream obscenities to you to get you to wake up.

God has your back. Risk it all. It isn't too late. Life and love is still out there, but you are playing it too safe. And safe isn't safe at all, it is guaranteed hell.



> You have more time to write than I do.

Actually I don't have the time.

I put the time in, because it is extremely important to me that you not be
stubborn and that you understand the DEBT = THEFT.

It is a very critical denial that boomers have to come to grips with.
They can either do it now on their own acceptance and maintain some kind
of future, or they can do it from a FEMA camp.

And given that I gave a few hours of my time, am I correct to assume that
you did not even read it?

So I expended all that effort for nothing. Thanks very much.


===============================
ADD: July 15

Please take just 2 minutes to understand one of the top 10 most important things you will learn in your lifetime.

I did not expect that you would get so tuned out or turned off to a simple fact. It is not a theory. It is a proven fact. How could I expect you would not only be irrational, but that you would also not bother to spend 2 minutes to read something that is one of the most important things boomers need to understand.

Westerns have been stealing from each other via their use of debt for past few decades.

It is not the use of debt that is stealing from each other. It is the use of debt, that was money that does not exist. That is a very important difference.

Understand that since 1934, that when a bank gives a loan, it is not money they had on deposit. They are only required to keep less than 1% reserves (fractional reserve banking system of the world), thus 99+% of the money they loan, is money that did not exist. They simply created it from nothing. As the loan is paid back, they do have to destroy the principle (the money disappears again), but the interest is not destroyed, it is kept by the bank as profit, which drastically expands the 1% reserves, so they can create even more money from nothing with more loans. And realize that for the duration of the loan, that money was created from nothing and exists in the economy.

In the 1800s, we had a different system. Gold and silver were money, so it was impossible to create them out of nothing. But people would deposit there metal with private banks, and the banks would give out bank notes, which were redeemable in metal. But the banks would lie and give out more notes in loans, than they had on deposit. Thus it was the same stealing from each other as we have since 1934 (FDR broke the domestic link between dollar and gold), but the difference was there were frequent bank runs by depositors, which would implode the theft, as the bank notes would no longer be honored and thus destroyed. Thus without the govt's guarantee behind the theft of fractional reserve banking, it was not as big of a theft, but it was a enough of theft to destabalize the USA economy and eventually force the 1934 move to govt sponsored theft system, i.e. fiat legal tender.

And the theft has accelerated since Nixon broke the international link between dollar and gold in 1971, just in time for the boomers to borrow like mad at accelerating rates. Here is a very simple chart of total USA debt versus total USA income, since 1957 which showss the acceleration:

http://grandfather-economic-report.com/natdebt-vs-natincome.gif



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Collapse of California is applicable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IHC6yrUQ80

Degree of welfare extravagance in California:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUBPQoadH2Y


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Rich Dad, Poor Dad author says Goldman Sachs controls the govt of USA

Post  Shelby on Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:51 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAGVlLuFEoQ

Also says silver is best simple investment now.

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conspiracy of all of us

Post  Shelby on Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:44 am

Biggest conspiracy 100% proven:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article4293.html#comment93993

You had a great article, but the final conclusion is an illusion and lie:

"One thing is certain: The voters of America have never knowingly agreed to any of this."

Here is the proof:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article21764.html#comment93654
(read all comments at bottom and follow the sub-links)

Thanks.

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Mr. M*dick

Post  Shelby on Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:50 am

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article22404.html

Shelby wrote:So was that a real interview with Rupert Murdoch?

Give him this message please.

Any way, here is the deal. These insane meglomaniacs are fooling themselves, because they do not understand the math of evolution and its self-organization that arises out of the frightening chaos of astronomical random possibilities:
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi/current/msg04006.html

Perhaps how the Apaches and Geronimo resisted the Spanish for two centuries:
http://www.starfishandspider.com/preview/index.html (see page 21)

Evolution can never twarted for too long, these exponential pockets of local order (control) are always overrun by humanity (evolution):
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article22098.html#comment94376

The current global morass is but a wart of the arse of evolution, and a little Compound W will shrink Satan back down to his true size. Fundamentally this period we are in now is about Satan deciding which direction he will run and hide his arse (inflicting great pain in the process on those who followed his suggestions).

That doesn't mean you don't have to worry. If you have been doing any of the following activities, you will be joining the system Mr. M*dick describes (you can choose to either stop or reap what you sowed):
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article21650.html

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Pentagon Attempts to Block Book on Afghan War

Post  Shelby on Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:03 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/09/military-intelligence-attempts-block-book-afghan-war/

Exclusive Interview With Author of Book Blocked By Pentagon
9/11 hijacker identified before attacks?


On the eve of Sept. 11, Fox News has learned the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency has attempted to block a book about the tipping point in Afghanistan and a controversial pre-9/11 data mining project called "Able Danger."

In a letter obtained by Fox News, the DIA says national security could be breached if "Operation Dark Heart" is published in its current form. The agency also attempted to block key portions of the book that claim "Able Danger" successfully identified hijacker Mohammed Atta as a threat to the United States before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Click here to read the full DIA letter (pdf)

In a highly unusual move, the Department of Defense is now negotiating with the publisher, St. Martin's Press, to buy all 10,000 copies of the first printing of the book to keep it off shelves -- even after the U.S. Army had cleared the book for release.

Specifically, the DIA wanted references to a meeting between Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, the book's author, and the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, removed. In that meeting, which took place in Afghanistan, Shaffer alleges the commission was told about "Able Danger" and the identification of Atta before the attacks. No mention of this was made in the final 9/11 report.

Shaffer, who was undercover at the time, said there was "stunned silence" at the meeting after he told the executive director of the commission and others that Atta was identified as early as 2000 by "Able Danger."

"Dr. Philip Zelikow approached me in the corner of the room. 'What you said today is very important. I need you to get in touch with me as soon as you return from your deployment here in Afghanistan'," Shaffer said.

Once back in the U.S., Shaffer says he contacted the commission. Without explanation, the commission was no longer interested. An inspector general report by the Department of Defense concluded there was no evidence to support the claims of Shaffer and others. But Fox News has obtained an unredacted copy of the IG report containing the names of witnesses, who backed up Shaffer's story when contacted for comment.

Atta was the alleged ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers and piloted American Airlines Flight 11 into the World Trade Center.

Shaffer spoke to Fox News before he was asked by the military not to discuss the book. He confirmed efforts to block the book and other details.

Calling the move "highly unusual," he explained that the book had already been cleared for release when the DIA stepped in.

"Apparently, Defense Intelligence Agency took exception to the way the Army cleared the book," he told Fox News.

The documents and exclusive interviews, including an Army data collector on the Able Danger Project, are part of an ongoing investigation by the documentary unit "Fox News Reporting" which uncovered new details about American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and efforts by the FBI to track and recruit him for intelligence purposes after 9/11.

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Protocols of Learned Elders of Zion

Post  Shelby on Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:00 pm

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article15736.html#comment95707

Shelby wrote:Lehman and Bear Sterns were bankrupted by design of JP Morgan and the other owners of the Fed.

There is a rough outline of the master plan for bringing the world to a new order. The exact outcomes within this plan are hatched by floating multiple scenarios of destruction, and then adjusting in maximize theft they can do with each crisis they successfully create.

I even have a link to it:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

And no it isn't a forgery.

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fraudsters are the regulators

Post  Shelby on Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:13 am

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23741.html

Shelby wrote:The fraudsters are very happy to create a crisis that will end up with more regulation, because they will ALWAYS own the regulators. This is because people love debt, and debt is only possible on a fiat money standard. And the bankster mafia that controls this world derives from the man who, "let me control the creation of a nation's money, and I care not who makes its laws".

Don't support more regulation, because it is only you and me who will be regulated. The fraudsters will continue doing their fraud, because they own the casino house and manufacture the chips we use.

The current housing mess is by design to push the people to bailout themselves and socialism morass that can't be stopped:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23558.html#comment95675

The only solution for mankind is to come out of the Great Harlot system of debt servitude. Meaning stop doing these Major Frauds of Humanity:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article21650.html

But of course people can never stop. That is why Revelation in the Bible explains where this will end. Total and complete self-strangulation of humanity by itself.

Oh btw, much of China's personal savings doesn't exist and is just circular loans to itself:

http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/economics-f4/inflation-or-deflation-t9-435.htm#3566

It will go poof and disappear when this global reflation reaches its death star inflection point. Much of that infrastructure was wrongly allocated and will be left to rot:

http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/economics-f4/inflation-or-deflation-t9-450.htm#3775

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Jesse Ventura says he has a confession from JFK killer

Post  Shelby on Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:40 am

See the end of this interview:

http://www.youtube.com/v/e5CnkBDv-rg

Here is the confession:

http://www.youtube.com/v/yO1iHpf1R3o

http://www.rense.com/general76/hunt.htm

It implicates LBJ, Hoover, Nixon, Cheney, and the Bush family.

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If I were elected President of USA...

Post  Shelby on Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:25 pm

...on my first day in office, I would send out an executive order by all viral means (e.g. internet, radio, TV, teletype, etc) instructing all lower officers of the military that the chain of command is now broken, and they report directly to me.

And my standing order is they are to use every means at their disposal to bring every member of the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderberg to Washington for a giant meeting.

There Rockfeller and all of them will be forced to a weeks long meeting broadcast on CSPAN.

We will get to the root of this evil. We will expose everything.

Their rights will not be violated. The govt will not steal from them what they stole from us. We will let them face the people and explain themselves.

I have a simple solution if they claim the 5th Admendment, "You have been identified as terrorist and you have no such rights, under the executive orders that you created, so you can either speak here, or I can unleash you to the mob outside".

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H W Bush was a Nazi?

Post  Shelby on Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:33 am

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

In short, Otto Skorzeny claimed that the true identity of George H.W. Bush was “George H. Scherff, Jr.

Is this the same man?

<-- click for source

Does the upper left face look 14 years old? Hmmm, I am doubting it.

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I am convinced the globalists think they are doing the right thing

Post  Shelby on Sat Feb 26, 2011 12:38 pm

David Rockefeller's involvement with Warren Buffet and Bill Gates is well documented in this fascinating interview:

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11063

Clearly they don't know how to organize a world that is not top-down managed, even though they recognize that a free market of $billionaire philanthropy (no gatekeeper) and "massive partnership" requirements.

So I think Rockefeller has succeeded because people think he has offered the best possibilities for leadership.

But in fact, what is driving the whole thing fundamentally is usury and fiat monetary systems. Without usury and insurance, Buffet wouldn't have $billions to have to give away. It would have been properly directed by the free market already.

Buffet had a clear vested and conflict-of-interest to step in and help push through the massive stimulus and QE:

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/26/buffett-cleans-up-on-derivatives-bet/

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Noam Chomsky

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Big picture - kill off the human population over next decades?

Post  Shelby on Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:07 am

Real purpose of the Gulf disaster has been achieved

It is a trial run for polluting the worlds water and food systems using corexit as an experiment. They want to see how many people they can kill with this method. They oil spill was just an excuse for the Corexit dumping, which is the main goal. Would they love for the spill to worsen over time, so they can dump more Corexit.

These bastards are trying to kill all of us. Is that not enough reason to sell your house and buy silver? Sheeple are asleep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J0qC1XCv_Q

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Thanks for refreshing my memory on Fitts' "slowburn". I don't read her often lately. Seems I am now describing what she had written long ago.

Amazing the revolving door of power, in that the elite can cause a revolution via inflation, and gain more control via chaos, because of the power vacuum of democracy.

In short, democracy = power vacuum.

The only thing that works is individual saving in PHYSICAL gold and silver. Then we vote with our actions. But I don't think enough people will come to realize this deeply enough to stop the NWO. So prepare for end times, within about 30 years or less.

Of course physical metal can't be a panacea, because money measures the root of all evil, which is human greed and jealousy.

>
> I agree and would only add that with the available evidence we must now
> conclude that the revolutions in the Middle East have been wholly
> manufactured by the global elite for the purpose of eliminating the last
> real strongholds impeding plans for the NWO. Also, I don't think Ruppert
> fully grasped the ability of the global elite to maintain control of the
> global economy and prop up the dollar in order to continue to fund the
> U.S. military. This is something he and Austin Fitts disagreed on as she
> always had the more logical view that the collapse would be slow and drawn
> out thus her "slow burn" description compared to his "fast crash"
> scenario.
>
> By the way, there is good analysis of events in the Libya by The Daily
> Bell today that also nicely sums up the globalists' hand in the M.E.
> uprisings.
>
> http://www.thedailybell.com/1839/The-Unspontaneous-Libyan-Revolution.html
>
> "The Rothschilds it should be noted have a strong base of operations in
> Britain, specifically in the City of London where the strategic braintrust
> of the New World Order is located. It is run like a mafia family, with the
> Rothschilds choosing to work with other Jews just as the Italian mafia
> works with other Italians. The Rothschild's operations are apparently
> worldwide and the money that the Rothschild's and others control via
> central banking is virtually limitless.
>
> "From this nexus of investment and banking families has spread the plague
> of mercantilist central banking, which now afflicts the globe. Not content
> with the ruinous centralization of central banking, the Rothschild's,
> their allies and intelligence operatives have apparently launched a global
> attack on developing countries. Libya is just the latest country to
> receive the "treatment." Even the orchestration is deliberate, with each
> country falling in line, like dominoes, no two at once to ensure maximum
> media coverage."
>
> P. S. The Daily Bell also points out that the U.S. is the NWO's primary
> enforcer (of course) - so the muscle and not necessarily the entire seat
> of power. I've given it a lot of thought over the years and I came to the
> conclusion that the elites would not allow the dollar to crash as long as
> they were dependent upon the U.S. military to be their enforcer. No
> matter how precarious the dollar may look given our debt, the elites still
> have several tricks in their bag to keep the game going for quite awhile -
> and this is in line with the thinking of Austin Fitts whose economic and
> geopolitical "road map" has been far more accurate than any other I've
> come across.


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Agreed the scientists are brainwashed by clever cover stories, such as the concept that computers could one day replace humans, thus the need for some centralized control or law. This shows a complete lack of education about Godel's theorem.

Take any prominent scientist, they will be non-delusional about perhaps up to 99% of issues, but that 1% lapse of rationality is what the elite exploit, and so they find a champion in each area they want to promulgate.

But man can only destroy himself, he can not destroy nature. For example, look at the area about Chernobyl, the plants and animals are thriving again.

"accurate" needs a definition in this context. And this is a key concept I will elucidate now. The "accuracy" means a free market. Because no one person knows the truth. The only truth is the one that fits a billion people, a billion different ways. Because each person has a unique situation and truth. Diversity is the key to life. A uniform distribution has no possibilities, it can only fit one environment.

So I hope you can appreciate why I am trying to use my computer science skills to create paradigms that could spontaneously destroy attempts to centralize information flow on the internet.

That is what my current two projects are about:

Copute.com - a new way of decentralized programming sharing with an economic benefit for individual programmers

Ssshhhout.com - make and share comments about any page on the internet, without the permission of the page owner. Do not let them say "ssshhh", "ssshhhout" instead.

Btw, the model of ssshhhout.com includes an advertising paradigm that could destroy Google's centralization of the web.


>
> GMOs are poison and will damage the earth's natural ecosystem - this is
> "the end justifies the means".
>
> Neofeudalism and serfdom through banskter tyranny cannot be compatible
> with a knowledge based economy and certainly not compatible with
> benevolence towards mankind. I think you are looking at the outside
> dressing on the global elite agenda.
>
> It is absolutely correct that our job is to compete with them providing
> access to accurate information!
>
> Did you see Soros' recent comment that he thinks China is a the best model
> of societal control? That's definitely not a free market or a system of
> transparency and free exchange of information. The elites at the very top
> of the hierarchy have an ideology in line with Strauss, i.e. complete
> authoritarian rule of the rich and powerful over the masses of slaves.
> They have devised elaborate cover stories to get people like Gates,
> Google's founders, and prominent academics to accept their policies.



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1) FRACKING of WELLS would lead to underground water contamination and desruption of underground geology.

Casual correlation is far from evidence in any court of law.

Besides, disruption might be a good thing. Might result is more varied outcomes. Shake people out of their boring lives. Etc. We can't conclude that earthquakes are bad, heck they are natural.

4) OIL would hit $200 a barrel.

$200 oil is hardly peak oil, given the gold/oil is not drastically altered. 10 oz of gold per barrel, would be peak oil.

$200 oil just means that people who are more productive, will get more. And the lazy do-nothing fat cats will get less (and will need to live crammed into cities where they can be fed with an IV and have a masturbation machine connected to their genitals so they don't have motivation to leave their cubicle). Or it may mean they just lead more efficient energy lives and not the negatives I purposely stereotyped on their lifestyle in order to make the point that stereotypes are silly.

There is no peak oil effect yet, the price of oil has not risen ten-fold in gold units yet. The rising fiat price of oil is the death of the fiat system, not of energy. It is actually the rebirth of civilization (300 year private wave is starting; 300 year public wave, e.g. nation-state central banking, is ending). I don't mean this as an attack, it just seems your thinking is twisted because you are conflating issues. Natural gas is declining in price! Example, you want so much for the peak civilization to be true, that you conflate earthquakes with natural gas fracking-- which may or may not have cause and effect relationship.


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I hate to say it....this country is SCREWED.

But I want to know your opinion of what comes after the collapse?

Are you saying USA is screwed forever?

Like paint a picture for me. We go back to jungle life and become monkeys? What kind of picture do you see?


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You still didn't answer my question.

What comes after the 60-80% die off? (it doesn't take more than a few weeks for people to starve to death)

Do we stay in a permanent trend of cavemen? Why?

If they parasites are dead, what stops the remaining 20% from doing quite well, given all the oil we have in the gulf, with 80% less people to consume it.

And considering we are probably smart enough by then, to stop wasting the oil and use it to produce necessary things such as food, efficiently.


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My crystal ball...

Just keep one thing in mind, it is extremely difficult to kill 100+ million people. Hilter couldn't do it. And we have a much more vast land area for people to escape.

Rather I don't think the globalists are going for unrealistic kill (Ted Turner's delusional Georgia Guidestones notwithstanding), instead they just want things to get nasty and difficult enough, that people accept the socialized solution that is offered to them.

If non-essential transportation were shut down by $500 oil price, there can be sufficient oil to grow food, it is just people will have a hard time affording it. This is exactly what the globalists want. They want to tax the middle class to cover the cost to feed the 30 - 50% who can't pay 500% higher food prices. Remember Buffett purchased an entire railroad! (he knows long-haul trucking will die)

So what I see is there will be huge fights, but the people will get fed and those people will support the government because it is feeding them.

So I see a long drawn out attrition.

Gold, silver, energy, and food will go skyhigh, and so will taxes. They will cut some services, but when it gets down to food, taxes will rise instead.


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http://thecnnfreedomproject.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/08/generations-pay-off-debts-through-slavery/?hpt=C1&hpt=C2

No oil used to produce bricks. The world is not moving backwards from civilization, it is moving forwards. The backtracking is only for those western people who deluded themselves with debt. They will have to pay off their debts with slavery for a while. Which of course will reduce the waste of energy (non-essential activities been funded by consumer debt, with USA consuming 25% of world's energy with only 5% of world's population), and free up more energy for these peasants to rise up to more modern way-of-life.

How can you claim the world is going backwards, when a majority of the people in the world live less modern way-of-life than you do now in your rural bugout?

I realize the above does not address your geologic EROEI concerns, but I have addressed those before, wherein I have stated that technology always deals with such Malthusian limitations.


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I agree there is a train-wreck ahead. And it could eventually spill out into regional or even world war a decade from now or so, if things get bad enough. Wars can kill a large number of people on the pretext of defense. But to kill 1 in 3 or 13 in 14 people (Ted Turner's Georgia Guidestones), is very difficult to do. Would require a zombie population devoid of thought and emotion.

It is really difficult to starve humans when there are forests around. You can do that in Somalia perhaps, partially because it is a desert (and the tribal/nomadic culture from that). Perhaps that is why the globalists tried to destroy the wildlife in the Gulf? (assuming they caused that on purpose)

Rather what I think is coming is a civil war of sorts, where those with savings and discipline, struggle against the socialists (including govt employees, retirees, indebted, etc) who suck on the tit of the fiat theft machine.

We are very early in the process where the Tea Party people are just starting to figure out that politics is a black hole of cooption and manipulation. They are starting to make their war to Alex Jones' infowars.com and that is why he is seeing his viewership skyrocket and Martin Sheen willing to give him the exclusive on his opening salvo in fight against the old guard of mass media.

As these folks start to learn to save in gold & silver, then they will be ready to provide the base of support that keeps the whole thing from devolving into a Somalia.

But yeah, it is going to be quite a chaotic struggle. And I agree the cities are going to get nasty. But one person's nasty is another person's excitment and stimulation.

Hope you don't mind I will copy this reply (not your comments) to the forum, because I think I made a few points that people might find stimulating. I am not criticizing you in this reply.

I will grant that oil is a major player in this global transformation, but I don't think exactly as a peak oil as the #1 driving factor, but the falling EROEI plays an important role in defining when the monarches in middle east can not be sustained, as you pointed out in conjunction which population growth that desires freedom. These middle east countries were sparsh tribes roaming desert, now they have large populations and cities and internet awareness.


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Big Picture on depopulation & end times

>
> I'm with you, I think the depopulation plan is intended to span several
> decades. A mass die off would not be desired by TPTB for several reasons.
>
> Ways to depopulate also include decreasing fertility.

Ah your area of speciality raises a perspective that I am of course aware of, but did not think to raise in this context. Excellent point.

> For instance, the
> Gates foundation is supporting research for vaccines to be dispersed
> through nanotechnology dropped en masse from planes and Gates has publicly
> stated that he believes vaccines can reduce the global population (which
> would normally be counterintuitive, right?).

The logic of which I am sure you are aware, is that if women have less fear of losing children to disease, they will delay childbearing, and they become materialistic and self-centered and then the population shrinks, which is exactly what is happpening to most of Europe.

> One of the Rockefeller
> foundations was caught (perhaps 30 years ago) giving vaccines in Latin
> America ONLY to women of child bearing age which raised some suspicion in
> those communities. From what I recall, when the vaccines were tested they
> were found to contain human chorionic gonadotropic hormone which was being
> introduced in the vaccine with the intention of creating antibodies to a
> hormone important during embryonic development (particularly) and fetal
> gestation thus resulting in miscarriages.

Yeah I read about that again recently. They learned the natives are not so stupid. They need a much more insideous method. Thanks for mentioning Bill Gates, I had been commenting about him too recently.

>
> Also, I feel certain that depopulation is also going to be accomplished by
> dramatically lowering life expectancy through GMOs, air and water
> contamination (best example of the latter is the movie Gasland showing
> widespread water contamination in the U.S. with natural gas and poisonous
> chemicals that makes locals very ill and will drive populations out of
> rural areas), engineered pathogens, chemtrail poisoning, and reduced
> health care for middle aged and elderly (already started in U.S. with
> brand new policy on organ donation giving preference to age 30 and under
> rather than need and wait times, and reportedly being considered as policy
> for other health conditions such as cancer).

Ah so the Gulf oil accident was a test run? Remember they did a test run on Twin Towers several years before 9-11.

I don't want to say I know any of this for sure, I don't want to be delusional about correlation.

But again, I say they can't succeed with any of those if they don't have a mentally broken population. So that is why they will focus on mass media and dumbing the population.

I think they hope to keep the wise rebels to less than a few % of the population, so they can kill us during this next few years. They need to get rid of us, so then they can proceed with dumbing down the rest of the population.

Do you see why I am working on sshhout.com now? And Copute.com too to target the programmers and raise their awareness and power.

> Just crashing economies
> dramatically lowers life expectancy. I don't remember the exact numbers
> cited in Crossing The Rubicon but I know that a very dramatic drop in life
> expectancy took place when Russia's economy collapsed on the order of 20
> to 25 years lower for men (down to the mid 50s from the upper 70s). The
> current life expectancy for an American Lakota (Sioux) male right now in
> the U.S. is 45 or 46.

Another excellent point. Breaking down the humans and introducing inferior demographics over decades.

Yeah I see the big picture now, thanks.

> You are spot on about the Gulf oil spill, that definitely has all the
> fingerprints of an engineered environmental catastrophe to depopulate.
> When you get a chance you might want to watch the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy
> Theory video on the Gulf. Ventura produced several excellent mini
> documentaries on a range of subjects and many or most of his television
> programs were placed on youtube after reports emerged of DVR services
> remotely erasing episodes from private homes.

Yes I watched his early series, last being the Manchurian Candidate. Didn't keep up lately. Didn't know he did one on the Gulf.


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The Octopus...
...the head is located in the US Dept. of Justice; tentacles reach out to Cali, Indian reservations, the Gambino family, Wackenhut, the intelligence community, MCA Corp., etc.
Some of the players occupy important positions today.

This interview of author Cheri Seymour about her recent well documented book, The Last Circle, begins here (part 1 of 4).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMbkn4xKftQ&feature=player_profilepage#t=4s


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Wikileaks exposed Bill Gates, Monsanto, US State Dept collusion

Who is it in this forum who admires Warren Buffet? He is funding this!

Expounding on the big picture plan to kill off the human population over decades...

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/03/05/wikileaks-exposes-unholy-alliance-of-us-government-bill-gates-and-monsanto.aspx

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/01/12/wikileaks-reveals-us-sought-to-retaliate-against-europe-over-monsanto-gm-crops.aspx



A WikiLeaks release of U.S. diplomatic cables has revealed that the Bush administration planned ways to retaliate against Europe for its refusal to use genetically modified seeds.

According to Democracy Now:

"In 2007, then-U.S. ambassador to France Craig Stapleton was concerned about France's decision to ban cultivation of genetically modified corn produced by biotech giant Monsanto. He also warned that a new French environmental review standard could spread anti-biotech policy across Europe ...

In the leaked cable, Stapleton writes, quote, '... Moving to retaliation will make clear that the current path has real costs to EU interests and could help strengthen European pro-biotech voice.'"

Stapleton recommended retaliations that would cause "some pain" across the EU. Folks, this is pretty much conclusive proof that the U.S. government is working towards Monsanto's pro-GM goals.

(For video transcript, see Democracy Now link below.)

Sources:
Democracy Now December 23, 2010

Guardian.co.uk January 3, 2010

AlterNet.org January 3, 2010



Dr. Mercola's Comments:


Monsanto has a long and sordid history of manipulation and questionable business practices, so this latest development doesn't really surprise me. It's quite clear that the US government has been aiding and abetting Monsanto's quest to control the world's food crops, and as Jeffrey Smith says in the Democracy Now interview above, these leaked documents "lays bare the mechanics of that effort."

According to U.S. diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks, the Bush administration conspired to find ways to retaliate against Europe for refusing to use genetically modified (GM) seeds, mainly by engaging in aggresive trade wars against reluctant nations.

Wikileaks Reveals Plan to Retaliate Against Europe for Non-GMO Stance
In a leaked cable from 2007, Craig Stapleton, who was the U.S. ambassador to France at the time, comments on France's decision to ban cultivation of genetically modified (GM) corn:

"Europe is moving backwards not forwards on this issue with France playing a leading role, along with Austria, Italy and even the [European] Commission... Moving to retaliation will make clear that the current path has real costs to EU interests and could help strengthen European pro-biotech voice.

... Country team Paris recommends that we calibrate a target retaliation list that causes some pain across the EU since this is a collective responsibility, but that also focuses in part on the worst culprits.

The list should be measured rather than vicious and must be sustainable over the long term, since we should not expect an early victory."

WikiLeaks also released a cable from 2009; this one from the US ambassador to Spain, asking the US government to help formulate a strategy to support the members of the Spanish government interested in promoting GMOs.

According to Smith, the information specifically indicates that they'd been briefed by the director of Monsanto for the region, and that strategies to promote the GMO agenda were created during that meeting.

The Guardian reports that,"[T]he cables show US diplomats working directly for GM companies such as Monsanto.

"In response to recent urgent requests by [Spanish rural affairs ministry] state secretary Josep Puxeu and Monsanto, post requests renewed US government support of Spain's science-based agricultural biotechnology position through high-level US government intervention."

It also emerges that Spain and the US have worked closely together to persuade the EU not to strengthen biotechnology laws. In one cable, the embassy in Madrid writes: "If Spain falls, the rest of Europe will follow."

The cables show that not only did the Spanish government ask the US to keep pressure on Brussels but that the US knew in advance how Spain would vote, even before the Spanish biotech commission had reported."

The Guardian also mentions leaked cables from the US embassy in the Vatican, quoting a cable from 2008:

"Opportunities exist to press the issue with the Vatican, and in turn to influence a wide segment of the population in Europe and the developing world."

The Guardian also reports that,

"[I]n a setback, the US embassy found that its closest ally on GM, Cardinal Renato Martino, head of the powerful Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace and the man who mostly represents the pope at the United Nations, had withdrawn his support for the US.
"A Martino deputy told us recently that the cardinal had co-operated with embassy Vatican on biotech over the past two years in part to compensate for his vocal disapproval of the Iraq war and its aftermath – to keep relations with the USG [US government] smooth. According to our source, Martino no longer feels the need to take this approach," says the cable."

Fred Branfman, writing for AlterNet sums it up when he says that the most terrifying revelation of Wikileaks is just how much our government lies to us, referring to our government and military as a "vast lying machine that perpetuates mass murder in our name."

This is true in the case of manipulating and forcing countries to implement the Monsanto agenda as well. In fact, I've often stated that genetically modified foods is a major threat to the very existence of human life on this planet.

Genetically Modified Corn High on the Agenda
One of the genetically modified (GM) products of particular interest appears to have been Monsanto's first GM corn, known as MON 810. This was the first genetically modified seed to be approved for widespread planting.

Today, GM corn currently represents over 90 percent of all corn acreage in the US.

Europe, however, has been slow to accept this and other GM crops. The European Commission has given GM crops its stamp of approval, but the food industry has remained resistant as European consumers were, and still are, concerned about potential ill effects.

Some European countries have even decided to ban GM crops within their own borders regardless of the EU Commission's approval.

The Health Hazards of GM Corn
There's very convincing evidence that genetically modified foods spell nothing but trouble for your health. As Smith discusses in his interview, scientists have discovered a number of health problems related to genetically modified foods in general, and GM corn in particular.

However, these studies have been repeatedly ignored by both the European Food Safety Authority and the US FDA...

Monsanto's GM corn is genetically engineered to ward off rootworm by producing its own pesticide, a toxin called Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt toxin).

In a 2005 article, Jeffrey Smith describes the findings from animal studies, in which rats developed a number of significant reactions when fed Bt corn, including:

Increased basophils, which is a typical indication of allergies
Increased lymphocytes and white blood cells, which is an indication of a response to infections, toxins and various diseases including cancer
Anemia
Blood pressure problems
Increased blood sugar levels
Kidney inflammation
Liver and kidney lesions, and other changes
In Germany and the Philippines, GM corn has also been blamed for the deaths of buffaloes, cows, horses, and poultry.

Damaging Research Remains Ignored
One researcher deserving of particular mention here is Dr. Arpad Pusztai, a biologist with more than 300 articles and 12 books to his credit and considered the world's top expert in his field.

In the early 1990's, he worked on a $3 million grant from the U.K. government, with a mission to design the system for safety testing of GMOs. But when he accidentally discovered that genetically modified (GM) foods are inherently unsafe, he quickly became the industry's bad-boy poster child, setting an example for other scientists thinking about blowing the whistle.

The results of Pusztai's work were supposed to become the required testing protocols for all of Europe. But when he fed supposedly harmless GM potatoes to rats, he made a shocking discovery.

Within just 10 days, the animals developed:

Potentially pre-cancerous cell growth
Smaller brains, livers, and testicles
Partially atrophied livers
Damaged immune systems
Moreover, the cause was almost certainly caused by side effects from the process of genetic engineering itself, not from the added material.

Jeffrey Smith explains:

"[H]e was testing with rats that were eating the genetically modified potato, engineered to produce an insecticidal protein. But he also tested other groups of rats that were eating natural potatoes that were spiked with that same protein, and then a third group that was just eating natural potatoes without the insecticide.

Only the group that ate the genetically engineered potato got these problems, not the group that was eating the potatoes along with the insecticide. So it clearly wasn't the insecticide; it was somehow the process of genetic engineering.

That process creates massive collateral damage inside the DNA of the plant. Hundreds and thousands of mutations can be formed. There could be hundreds or thousands of genes that are natural genes in the plant that change their levels of expression.

For example, with MON 810 corn, they found there's a gene that is normally silent that is switched on and now creates an allergen in corn.

They found 43 different genes that were significantly up-regulated or down-regulated, meaning that there are massive changes in these crops, and they're not being evaluated by the U.S.—by the FDA or any other regulatory authority around the world, before being put onto the market."

It's quite feasible that the GM foods on the market—which are created from the same process—might have similar affects on humans, yet all our regulatory agencies are turning a blind eye!

Worse yet, researchers have been actively silenced to hide this information.

Dr. Pusztai, for example, was interviewed on TV and became a hero at his institute -- for two days.

Then, following phone calls from the pro-GMO prime minister's office, he was fired from his post and further silenced with threats of a lawsuit. His team was dismantled, and the protocols he developed were never implemented.

Eventually, an invitation to speak before Parliament lifted his gag order and his research was published in the prestigious Lancet in 1999.

Other Examples of Dangerous GM Foods
In addition to corn, there are six other GM foods currently on the market. And all of them have been linked to potential health problems.

Soy -- GM soy is highly allergenic and accounts for about 90 percent of soybeans planted in the U.S. It is present in about 70 percent of all food products found in American supermarkets. Rats fed GM soy had increased mortality, lower birth weight, and damaged sperm and reproductive ability.
Cottonseed (used in vegetable cooking oils) -- Sheep that grazed on GM cotton eventually died after developing severe irritation and black patches in their intestines, and enlarged bile ducts.
Canola -- Three different mutant weeds resistant to three common herbicides – Monsanto's Roundup, Cyanamid's Pursuit, and Aventis' Liberty – were produced when Canadian farmers began planting GM canola seeds.
Sugar from sugar beets -- Sugar beets easily cross pollinate, meaning GM beets could "infect" organic varieties and destroy their value.
Hawaiian papaya -- GM papaya was introduced in 1998. After six years, a test was conducted on 20,000 papaya seeds. Eighty percent were taken from organic farms. Half of the seeds were found to be genetically modified! This means that it's virtually impossible to safeguard non-GM crops from GM crops.
Zucchini and yellow squash -- GM squash contains 68 times less beta-carotene and four times more sodium than non-GM varieties.
How You Can Avoid GM Foods, and Help Others Do the Same
Most people want to avoid GM foods but it is virtually impossible to do so, since the government prevents GMO labeling.

However, Jeffery Smith has compiled an excellent resource for you to avoid the government block of information. It is the free Non-GMO Shopping Guide. Print it out, and share it with your friends and family, and post it to your social networks.

Alternatively, you can download a free iPhone application, available in the iTunes store. You can find it by searching for ShopNoGMO in the applications.

If you're feeling really ambitious you can also order the Non-GMO Shopping Tips brochure in bulk, and bring them to the grocery stores in your area. Talk to the owner or manager and get permission to post them in their store.

For More Information
Jeffrey Smith, the executive director of the Institute for Responsible Technology has authored two excellent books on this topic which I highly recommend reading:

Seeds of Deception: Exposing Industry and Government Lies about the Safety of the Genetically Engineered Foods You're Eating
Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods.
There are also a number of great films and lectures available, including:

Hidden Dangers in Kid's Meals
Your Milk on Drugs - Just Say No!
Everything You Have to Know About Dangerous Genetically Modified Foods
For timely updates, join the Non-GMO Project on Facebook, or follow them on Twitter.

It's quite clear that our government will NOT take a stand and protect you from these dangerous foods. On the contrary, it appears they're actively backing Monsanto's agenda to flood all markets with their genetically modified wares—without any proof of safety whatsoever.

So please, do your homework. Together, we as consumers have the power to stop them! All we need is about five percent of consumers to simply stop buying GM foods, and the food industry would have to reconsider their source of ingredients.

Keep educating yourself on this issue, and help others do the same.




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The Health Hazards of GM Corn

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Many have long suspected that U.S. policy on genetically modified (GM) organisms was being influenced by the multinational corporations that profit from genetic engineering and the export-oriented agribusiness. However, recently released Wikileaks cables document just how close that relationship has become.

The U.S. Department of State has virtually become an agency for promoting the private interests of the Monsanto Corporation.

As European social movements pressure their governments for an ongoing moratorium on GM seeds and foods, Monsanto and other biotech corporations have been pushing to find new market footholds, using hybrids even in impoverished Haiti following the January 12, 2010 earthquake. They have been pursuing such goals in collaboration with USAID, the U.S. State Department and the Gates Foundation Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa (AGRA).

According to Netline:

"The collusion of the Gates Foundation with Monsanto corporation is no accident, as high level officials leading AGRA are former Monsanto executives. The recent purchase by AGRA of $500,000 worth in Monsanto stocks was vivid proof of that close relationship. Despite many words by Gates officials since the inception of the AGRA agenda denying that GMO seeds would be used as part of AGRA, their close relationship with Monsanto has now been revealed to be a key element in their agronomic 'new green revolution' strategy."

In the video above, you can also see Gates' wrong-headed ideas about vaccines.

Microsoft founder Bill Gates was recently interviewed by CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta. Gates was attending the World Economic Forum to push his mission of eradicating polio by 2012. Gates, through his foundation, has pledged $10 billion to provide vaccinations to children around the world .

In the course of the interview, in regards to the vaccine-autism connection, Gates said:

"... [I]t's an absolute lie that has killed thousands of kids. Because the mothers who heard that lie, many of them didn't have their kids take either pertussis or measles vaccine, and their children are dead today. And so the people who go and engage in those anti-vaccine efforts -- you know, they, they kill children. It's a very sad thing, because these vaccines are important."

How can someone so smart also be so confused about this issue? Unfortunately, that may actually be part of the problem.

Bill Gates may be one of the most destructive "do-gooders" on the planet because he is rich enough to get what he wants and he has a high opinion of his own intelligence. It is hard enough fighting Big Pharma, Big Government and Big Medicine on vaccines, but when another opponent is one of the wealthiest and most influential philanthropists in the world, it is even harder.

Fortunately, truth is more powerful than money. It is the only reason that the voices of parents and vaccine injured children continue to be heard above the relentless promotion of lies by the wealthy and powerful.

Sources:
Netline January 2011

CNN February 4, 2011



Dr. Mercola's Comments:


As I discussed last month, Wikileaks has revealed just how deeply entrenched the US government has become with Monsanto. It's long been known that the government was being unduly influenced, but the leaked cables revealed the reality is far worse than expected; the US Department of State is actively promoting the private interests of Monsanto across the world.

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), and the US Trade Representative also have a special set of revolving doors' leading straight to Monsanto, which has allowed this transnational giant to gain such phenomenal influence.

It is this type of government infiltration that allowed genetically modified (GM) alfalfa to be approved without any restrictions at all, despite the protests of the organic community and public comments from a quarter or a million concerned citizens...

As if that's not enough, Monsanto now also has one of the wealthiest and most influential "philanthropists" supporting their agenda and spreading misleading propaganda, namely Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft.

In addition, in the CNN interview above Gates also muddies the waters with his personal, misguided opinions on vaccines. Between his close ties to Monsanto and his aggressive pro-vaccine stance—without regard for safety on either issue—Gates may just be one of the most destructive "do-gooders" on the planet.

The Close Alliance Between Gates Foundation and Monsanto
As revealed by previous Wikileaks documents, the Bush administration conspired to find ways to retaliate against Europe for refusing to use genetically modified (GM) seeds, mainly by engaging in aggressive trade wars against reluctant nations.

The Guardian recently reported that the "cables show US diplomats working directly for GM companies such as Monsanto." The cables also revealed that the US has worked closely with Spain to persuade the EU to not strengthen their biotechnology laws. In one cable, the embassy in Madrid wrote: "If Spain falls, the rest of Europe will follow."

But it doesn't end there.

As reported by Netline, Monsanto and other biotech companies have collaborated with the Gates Foundation via the Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa (AGRA) to inject genetically modified crops into Africa. The Gates Foundation has donated hundreds of millions of dollars to AGRA, and in 2006 Robert Horsch was hired for the AGRA project. Horsch was a Monsanto executive for 25 years.

In a previous Huffington Post article, Eric Holt Gimenez sums it up nicely:

"Under the guise of "sustainability" the [Gates] Foundation has been spearheading a multi-billion dollar effort to transform African into a GMO-friendly continent. The public relations flagship for this effort is the Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa (AGRA), a massive Green Revolution project."

It would be naive at this point to think that these collaborations are designed to solve any other problem than how to help Monsanto monopolize the world's food supply with expensive GM seeds that have to be purchased each year and require expensive chemical treatment.

After all, if you own the rights to all the food grown everywhere, you literally rule the world...

Gates tried to keep his ties to genetically modified seeds on the down-low, but the issue got major attention last year when Monsanto tried to inject its hybrid seeds into Haiti after a massive earthquake devastated the island. Fortunately, the Haitian farmers were too smart to fall for this devious scheme. Farmer groups criticized the Gates Foundation's involvement, committed to burning the GM seed, and called for a march to protest Monsanto's presence in Haiti.

Social movements around the world are pressuring their governments for a moratorium on unproven GM seeds and foods, yet the US is giving Monsanto free reign, aiding and abetting their agenda, and the Gates Foundation is starting to look more and more like just another arm to further Monsanto's reach.

Gates' Financial Conflicts of Interest Sheds Additional Light on his Foundation's Agenda
In the second quarter of 2010, the Gates Foundation purchased 500,000 shares of Monsanto stock with an estimated worth of $23.1 million.

In August of last year, AGRA-Watch wrote:

"The Foundation's direct investment in Monsanto is problematic on two primary levels," said Dr. Phil Bereano, University of Washington Professor Emeritus and recognized expert on genetic engineering.

"First, Monsanto has a history of blatant disregard for the interests and well-being of small farmers around the world, as well as an appalling environmental track record. The strong connections to Monsanto cast serious doubt on the Foundation's heavy funding of agricultural development in Africa and purported goal of alleviating poverty and hunger among small-scale farmers. Second, this investment represents an enormous conflict of interests."

It seems clear that despite the denials that GM seeds would be used as part of AGRA's strategy, the close ties between the Gates Foundation, AGRA, and Monsanto, and the financial conflicts of interest between the Gates Foundation and Monsanto appear to be "a key element of AGRA's "new green revolution" strategy," Netline writes.

"The interlocking and corrupting nature of that agenda as documented further by Wikileaks release of US State Department cables should be of concern to all people of good will concerned about the future biodiversity of crop seeds in the world.

It is an undisputed fact, no matter what one might think of the merits of GMO seeds, that transnational concentration in market share and power inevitably means a diminishing of crop biodiversity, in many cases for all time, as seed varieties are lost in the shuffle. That is the bottom line.

And that is why small-scale farming, based in and loyal to the communities they nourish, must prevail as the model for the future of agriculture! Seeds have always been shared freely among farmers, guaranteeing a biodiverse basis for farming everywhere. Without that basis, there can be no food sovereignty and therefore fewer and fewer practitioners (family farmers) on the ground capable of slowing global warming and feeding the hungry of the world through sustainable land usage and reforestation.

It is our duty, even as community gardeners, to learn how to save seed and to do so. We thus represent the front line primary defense against crop variety loss, famine and pestilence for future generations!"

I agree.

Genetically modified crops represent one of the most significant threats to life on this planet and must be stopped. Unfortunately, there's no shortage of smart men misusing their intelligence. Bill Gates is just one of the most prominent in this group.

How Could Bill Gates Be so Confused About Vaccines?
Moving on to the second topic of this comment: Gates' vaccine opinions. It is very difficult to watch Bill Gates "speak out" about vaccines, knowing he's directly responsible for using his considerable wealth and influence to advance one-size-fits all vaccine policies that lack good science to back them up.

However, if you're savvy to the way this game is played, you'll realize that the absolute and derogatory terms he uses to defend his actions—such as labeling vaccine safety advocates as "baby killers"—actually reveals the level of pressure and mounting panic the vaccine industry is feeling right now.

They're definitely worried, or else they wouldn't have to resort to using people like Bill Gates to label you a killer if you question vaccine safety or want to make voluntary vaccine choices, in an effort to shame or scare you back in line.

He also spouts off the same tired propaganda speech about how Dr. Andrew Wakefield is somehow singularly responsible for creating mass-hysteria about the link between vaccines and developmental delays, including autism. This is beyond simplistic, and does in no way describe the truth about the problems with poor science being used to pass laws requiring everyone to use more and more vaccines that are both unsafe and ineffective. Anyone who has read even a fraction of my articles on vaccines will see that trying to hinge the entire anti-vaccine movement on the results of one study published in one medical journal is ridiculous.

The consolation is that the awful truth is more powerful than Gates ill-conceived attempts at quenching safety advocates.

But what's his motivation for promoting vaccines, you may ask?

Well, you have to remember that years ago, when the US government slammed Microsoft with anti-trust violations, he and his wife, Melinda, soon thereafter created their foundation and partnered with the US Department of Health and Human Services and the pharmaceutical industry to "save" the children of the world from infectious diseases—through the use of vaccines.

It appears as though, in return for a slap on the wrist, Gates was roped into the vaccine-promoting business, which likely explains why he would make such appalling statements against those who have valid and significant concerns about the safety of vaccines.

However, in the end, truth is more powerful than money. This is the reason why the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is still in operation and why my voice and the many voices of parents of vaccine-injured children continue to be heard above the relentless promotion of lies by the wealthy and powerful.

We have our work cut out for us, both in the fight against the dangerous promotion of genetically modified food crops and the mass-use of vaccines without proper safety evaluations. But sanity and reason can still win, through the propagation and dissemination of information. Below I'll provide helpful guidance for avoiding both GM foods and unwanted vaccines.

How You Can Avoid GM Foods, and Help Others Do the Same
I urge you to print out and use the Non-GMO Shopping Guide, created by the Institute for Responsible Technology. Share it with your friends and family, and post it to your social networks. You can also download a free iPhone application, available in the iTunes store. You can find it by searching for ShopNoGMO in the applications.

If you're feeling really ambitious you can order the Non-GMO Shopping Tips brochure in bulk and distribute them to the grocery stores in your area. Talk to the owner or manager and get permission to post them in their store.

For more information, I highly recommend reading the following two books, authored by Jeffrey Smith, the executive director of the Institute for Responsible Technology:

Seeds of Deception: Exposing Industry and Government Lies about the Safety of the Genetically Engineered Foods You're Eating
Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods.
There are also a number of great films and lectures available, including:

Hidden Dangers in Kid's Meals
Your Milk on Drugs - Just Say No!
Everything You Have to Know About Dangerous Genetically Modified Foods
For timely updates, join the Non-GMO Project on Facebook, or follow them on Twitter.

Please, do your homework. Together, we as consumers have the power to stop the biotech industry from destroying our food supply, the future of our children, and the earth as a whole. All we need is about five percent of consumers to simply stop buying GM foods, and the food industry would have to reconsider their source of ingredients.

Do Your Homework Before Vaccinating for Anything
Personally, I'm not anti-vaccine but rather pro-education and pro-vaccine safety. I also believe it is extremely important to have the right to choose preventive health options and to be allowed to exercise informed consent to taking ANY medical risk, including making voluntary decisions about what you want to inject into your child, and yourself, and when.

If you choose to vaccinate selectively, you don't have to reject use of all vaccines. You have a number of options, one of which is use a more sensible vaccination schedule—one that will not subject your child to multiple vaccines simultaneously, or in quick succession, as a newborn.

Dr. Donald Miller is a cardiac surgeon and Professor of Surgery at the University of Washington in Seattle and a member of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness. Using a more sensible, "user-friendly" vaccination schedule, Dr. Miller advises the following:

No vaccinations until your child is two years old.
No vaccines that contain thimerosal (mercury).
No live virus vaccines.
Dr. Miller used to advise giving inactivated polio vaccine and inactivated bacterial vaccines like pertusis, tetanus and diphteria in separate shots, but, unfortunately, the drug companies selling vaccines no longer make separate vaccines available. The pertussis, tetanus and diphteria vaccines today only come in the form of combination shots like DTaP and DT for younger children, or Tdap and Td for teens and adults.

Dr. Bob Sears, a California pediatrician and author of The Vaccine Book, supports informed consent and selective vaccine choices. He offers a roadmap for those who choose to vaccinate their children using an alternative vaccination schedule that includes spacing vaccines out over a longer period of time.

Your pediatrician will probably not agree with this schedule, but if you have reviewed the evidence and still feel your child should be given some vaccines, it could be a far safer alternative to the standard vaccination schedule.

Also remember your opt-out options. Although all 50 states have vaccination requirements, all states provide exemptions for medical reasons, and 48 states allow exemptions for sincerely held religious beliefs. Another 18 states allow parents to opt out for personal, conscientious or philosophical beliefs as well.

For more information, please see How to Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations of All Kinds.

Above all, educate yourself on the risks and complications of the vaccines that your doctor or pediatrician insists on administering., as well as the vaccine laws in your state. I have hundreds of articles detailing the dangers of various vaccines on this site, and you also have the entire internet at your disposal.

One of your most valuable allies on the net is the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC)—the American vaccine safety watchdog. Their site contains loads of carefully researched, accurate information about vaccines, along with late-breaking news relating to laws, mandates, recalls, safety issues and more.

In some states, legal exemptions for vaccination, such as the religious and personal or conscientious belief exemptions are under attack and being targeted for elimination by drug companies and other special interest groups lobbying state legislators. Please sign up for the NVIC free Advocacy Portal and stay tuned into to what is happening in YOUR state and if you need to take action now to protect your legal right to make voluntary choices about vaccination for yourself and your children.




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Can they shutdown the internet?

Post  Shelby on Sat Aug 06, 2011 1:35 pm

> The question is will we have communications when all these
> turbulences happen? I doubt it. When the SOB's position is
> threatened, they will not want to give the enemy open communication
> lines. What then? You won't even know what your metal is worth on the
> market, if there is still a market.

Technically speaking they can't entirely shutdown the internet. There is a post on my forum where I debated an expert on this and he submitted to my conclusion:

http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/t112p90-computers#3789

The routing protocol of the internet is inherently decentralized. They know this, they even tested it in Iran and middle east countries, and they realized they couldn't completely turn off the flow of information:

http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/t112p105-computers#4121

So it seems now they are trying to pass laws compelling the ISPs to keep records of our identity and our IP address history. They can't turn it off, but they can use it as an informational gathering tool.

I want you to understand that the government never intended for the internet to happen, here is the true story. Al Gore didn't create the internet, hackers at DARPA did by lying to the government:

http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/t112p165-computers#4428

TPTB has to be very cautious, because if they push too hard to block information flow on the mainstream portions of the internet, it will incentivize 1000s of hackers to accelerate efforts towards a P2P version of HTTP. Once that happens, it will be infinitely more impossible for the government to stop and track information flow. That is coming anyway.

Also TPTB has to be very cautious, because if they try to block free PHYSICAL (I am not referring to their paper futures) markets for gold and silver, this will encourage robust black markets to become popular, thus pulling more people out of the official tax and theft financial system.

In short, TPTB control the world of decline and destruction. If they stomp on those larger things that are growing fast because they are semi-decentralized, then they will just cause increased demand for those technologically super-decentralized things that are smaller and growing even faster (saplings grow fast to be tree, but trees don't grow to the moon). TPTB control those who want to be destroyed because they depend on centralization-- they don't control those who choose to be decentralized.

Be aware though that communication and things in general could get quite inconvenient with significantly more downtime, as technologies catch up to new realities. As you know, I am trying to fundamentally accelerate the decentralized computer technologies.

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>> > That's a good way of putting it. But they aim to destroy them.
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>>
>>Agreed they aim to destroy those who depend on them (the centralization).
>>They can not destroy those who are decentralized.
>
> But I meant it the other way. They seek to destroy the decentralized
> ones, because that is the enemy. The cattle need not be destroyed,
> they are at most culled to a level that pleases them.


Disagree. They know they can not harm those who are sufficiently decentralized. What they seek is to trick people from being decentralized. They fear that we will discover how to be decentralized, which is why the USA constitution scared them, why the rise of independent media on the internet scares them, etc..

The function that TPTB serve is to cull humanity of those who refuse to be decentralized, i.e. those who refuse to come out of the Great Harlot. They cull as many as they can until it starts to wake up the other ones, then they back off and go into another round of credit expansion.


>
>>Now you are going to hate this, but this is exactly what 1 Samuel 8
>>predicted, and the stupid people ignored it even back them in the time of
>>Moses.
>
> That's religion and not applicable (to me). I find it irrelevant.
> Human situations will always repeat. So what?


I am trying to tell you that for me God is nothing more than decentralization-- a law of physics. It is not creature in my image or any other fantasy.

And this is precisely what Jesus said in Matthew 6:5, where he said to be the most free and rewarded, you must pray (think) in your room alone where no one else can see you. In other words, decentralized.

Decentralization also implies that you won't impinge or harm others. That is love.

Organized religion or philosophy of any form is thus evil in my view, because it is not decentralized. It molds minds and binds people together in propaganda where they can't think for themselves.

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Indeed, and even HTTPS can be compromised by a man-in-the-middle attack. So they can see everything, but they may not be able to make sense of all that data. If they know a specific target, they can make sense of it.

However, if you and I exchange public keys face-to-face, they can not read our secure communication. The requirement is that I am sure it is your key that I am using when I encode my communication to you, and not some man-in-the-middle.

But when we move to P2P, then we won't need encryption per se, because if they can't get inside of every computer, then they can't see how these pieces of data are assembled to make a coherent piece.

>> So it seems now they are trying to pass laws compelling the ISPs to keep records of our identity and our IP address history.
>> They can't turn it off, but they can use it as an informational gathering tool.
>
> They already have this in effect in US. ISPs must retain subscriber
> connection records for X amount of time.
>
> Not to mention the use of Echelon
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_%28signals_intelligence%29> and
> similar monitoring systems such as Carnivore
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29>.
>
> Many ISPs have given in to DHS requests to install Carnivore type
> systems in the ISP data centers. Presently, these systems record
> everything, but no govt agency can retrieve the data without a warrant
> (supposedly they need a warrant). Actually, a warrant is required to
> "turn on" the monitoring system and only for the targets named in the
> warrant. For PR reasons, the major ISPs have announced their rejection
> of DHS implementing such systems, but IMHO the ISPs have given in to
> pressure by govt agencies and won't admit it publicly. Every
> corporation has executives that can be easily blackmailed by govt
> agencies.
>
> It would be very easy to stealth such a system from ISP data center
> employees too. All that's needed is to create a profile for a
> non-existant ISP employee who has admin privledges. This profile could
> login remotely and an app like Carnivore could do it stuff over the
> wire, undetected by other data center employees. Even if an employeed
> sniffed the traffivc he'd just see encrypted garbage and would not know
> what the traffic was.
>
> Ever see that movie "Enemy of the State" with Will Smith & Gene
> Hackman? Hackman's character explains how the govt monitors
> communications. The movie show satellite technology that is truly
> Hollywood, but there is real stuff depicted in the movie, such as govt
> installations that do nothing but monitor communication traffic. There
> are several such facilities here in the DC area, and every major
> Internet hub has such a facility nearby. One of the first major hubs
> was here in Tysons Corner, VA on the 7th floor of a high rise. The
> entire 6th floor was DoJ.

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How free we are not

Post  Shelby on Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:16 pm

Instead of "Land of the free, home of the brave", we have become "Land of the cowards, home of the slaves".

http://www.infowars.com/our-troops-do-not-protect-our-freedom-and-we-should-stop-thanking-them-for-doing-so/


  1. You are not allowed to drink raw milk, no matter how healthy it is, because under certain rare conditions may cause health issues), but you do have the right to smoke chemically addicting cigarettes that when used as directed WILL KILL YOU!
  2. You don’t have the right to stop your food supply from being contaminated and genetically manipulated, leaving you with no alternative.
  3. You don’t have the right to collect rain water or grow your own vegetables to feed your family.
  4. You have no right to stop corporations from poisoning your air and water.
  5. You have no right to treat your ailments naturally because your government has declared that the only way to become healthy is by medications and treatments that will produce big profits for corporations. Healthy food can not benefit your health and if it does the FDA will classify it as a drug.
  6. You have no right to raise your child without injecting toxins and dangerous chemicals directly into their blood streams.
  7. During the Bush/Cheney administration you had no right to free speech. Special zones called “free speech” zones were created and kept far from Bush and Cheney where those who wanted to speak as free Americans could gather.
  8. You are not free to exchange goods and services on your own terms. You must use Federal Reserve Notes, which is NOT U.S. CURRENCY. It is a system of money created and maintained, unconstitutionally, by a cadre of private banks.
  9. You are not free to feed homeless people and if you are homeless you are not free to be fed by your fellow citizens.
  10. We are not free to know about or have any say about secret activities in which our rulers partake. For example what terrible weapons they create, what biological or chemical programs that may accidentally or purposely destroy us all, how they set up and instigate wars and conflict as well as events that justify actions for which they want to take but have no legitimate justifications.

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We are born into "citizenship" which is servitude

Post  Shelby on Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:45 pm

US Constitution was abolished in 1868; United States is a corporation.

> USC Title 28, Sec. 3002, Par. 15

Ah yes, that is the correct section:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html

(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;

I thought I will would bring some important information back to the top of this forum from several years ago, since many of you may have missed it. I have made a new post at infowars.com about this:

http://www.infowars.com/cops-confiscate-cameras-at-ohio-congressmans-town-hall/comment-page-1/#comment-2679165

shm wrote:
You folks are so ignorant of this country and the reality of the situation.

The reality is the government is a federal corporation, and you do not have any rights on their property.

The constitution was suspended at the time of the Civil War, and they set up "Temporary Emergency Courts" and they have been ruling by executive order ever since.

You learn this if you have taken a court case to the Federal Appeals court, because you have to follow protocol and address the court properly as the "Temporary Emergency Court", as this guy did:

bibleprophesy . org / squaw10 . htm (remove the spaces)
bibleprophesy . org / squaw . htm

If you review the forum threads in depth at the links at bottom of this post, you discover that under the original USA constitution, we were sovereign individuals (citizens of the "United States of America"). But since the 14th Amendment in 1868, we have the optional right to be "citizens of United States", where the "United States" is a federal corporation that includes the IRS, Fed, US treasury, etc. The law of that corporation tries to say that we are born into this involutary slavery (born citizens), and tries to make it very difficult for us to opt out and remain part of the original republic.

So to avoid income taxes, to avoid all dealings with the corrupt "foreign" power on our soil, we must not use a Social Security number, which means we must not use driver's license, banks, fiat, etc..

Realize the Constitution gave the federal government the right to purchase land and control over any land it owns. The federal government is a corporation, especially since United States referred to in the Constitution went to sleep in 1861 and was replaced by a British corporation in 1867, which is operated by the Exchequor of Britian.

http://ecclesia.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=504
http://ecclesia.org/forum/topic.asp?FORUM_ID=23
http://ecclesia.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=552

Jason Hommel 04-12-2008, 06:47 AM wrote:It does not matter if the income tax is constitutional or not if they don't rule by the constitution.

My understanding is that the constitution was suspended at the time of the Civil War, and they set up "Temporary Emergency Courts" and they have been ruling by executive order ever since.

You learn this if you have taken a court case to the Federal Appeals court, because you have to follow protocol and address the court properly as the "Temporary Emergency Court", as I did.

See here:
http://bibleprophesy.org/squaw.htm

And here for the proper title to the appeal:
http://bibleprophesy.org/squaw10.htm



Shelby 03-29-2008, 07:39 AM wrote:http://ecclesia.org/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=23

If you review those threads in depth, you discover that under the original USA constitution, we were sovereign individuals (citizens of the "United States of America"). But since the 14th Amendment in 1868, we have the optional right to be "citizens of United States", where the "United States" is a federal corporation that includes the IRS, Fed, US treasury, etc. The law of that corporation tries to say that we are born into this involutary slavery (born citizens), and tries to make it very difficult for us to opt out and remain part of the original republic.

So to avoid income taxes, to avoid all dealings with the corrupt "foreign" power on our soil, we must not use a Social Security number, which means we must not use driver's license, banks, fiat, etc..

The 666 system is effectively already in place for the most part, and 99.99999% of us are voluntarily using it.

Dig into those threads, you will find fascinating links and information there.

I feel a longing to my Cherokee bloodline...

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I saw lots of info on the U.S. being a corporation several years ago including a
fascinating video and lecture by a U.K. carpenter whose video demonstrated how he
carefully chooses his words when dealing with the cops so as to not enter into a
contract with them. The cops were on foot patrol and were known to snoop in the
yards of private homes and they needed to engage in a certain kind of dialogue with
the occupants in order to trespass. This was probably 5 or 7 years ago so maybe
those rules of engagement are no longer abided by now that the global police state
is tightening its grip.

I also read other articles and skimmed through the book Hologram of Liberty, some of
these writers assert that the U.S. was surreptitiously set up as a corporation from
America's beginning. It makes sense that the Masonic and Illuminati interests
embedded in the government steered much of the language used in developing U.S. law
in the very early days of the Republic.

By the way, I only recently learned from The Daily Bell that the "City of London" is
a sovereign territory set up by the banking dynasties and it is one of three such
territories that apparently form a triad of power centers for the ruling elite with
the other two being Washington D.C. (military arm) and the Vatican (religious). I
am including a link to a short youtube video on the City of London.

http://youtu.be/96XfYaBcap4

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